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Comentario de 362755

Sweet!
I am guessing that this together with Tyrande's Favorite Doll will be the trinkets of choice for healers until the next content.

Comentario de 696500

You have to realize that Tears of Blood can only proc from critical heals but this trinket can be on as long as the person is healing.

Comentario de skribs

Tyrande's favorite doll would average out to about 350 MP/5, I'm more interested in Jar of Ancient Remedies (basically, 79% up-time 515 spirit, and then a use of 6420 mana every 2 minutes). That would average out to 203 MP/5 from spirit and 267.5 for the proc, total of 470.5.

For healing, I'd rate Jar of Ancient Remedies > DMC: Tsunami > Core of Ripeness > Blood of Isiset (Heroic) > Tyrande's Favorite Doll > Sea Star (Heroic). It's a steep curve in effectiveness for each of them, too.

Comentario de Yama4ever

Does this trinket proc from Healing over Time spells aswell, or just casting heals?
Because that would be really important for Resto Druids.

And what about the Proc chance of the initial buff, and then the proc chance to get more stacks?

Comentario de 711373

Inscription at 525 skill can make these cards. They're known as Darkmoon Cards of Destruction.

Keep in mind however that when a scribe creates a card, it is completely random and can be any card (from Ace to 8) from any of the new decks (waves, stones, winds, etc) so it may take a lot of crafting for a single scribe to render a deck. Might be better to get any card you can and trade around for what you want or if you have the cash just buy them from the AH.

Comentario de 95238

Does anyone know if this trinket procs from Vamparic Embrace cause this would turn this into a amazing shadow trinket as well

Comentario de 716026

See Naipe de la Luna Negra de Destrucción

Comentario de Mercarcher

This card is great for shadow priests.

The proc happens on Vampiric embrace meaning this card is equal to 4% hit.

It is currently our BiS trinket.

Comentario de 752134

Just got this as a resto druid, it does NOT proc from casting hots, neither from hot ticks for me. The only instant casts that trigger it are swiftmend and NS HT..

And it seems to have a 10sec internal cd. I doubt it will me up all the time in fights.

Comentario de 141500

Doesn't proc from HoTs and has a 7s internal cooldown.

Comentario de Limez

Disc Priest Perspective:
Prayer of Healing: 5 stacks
Penance: 3 stacks
Binding heal: 2 stacks
Flash/greater heal & heal: 1 stack
Atonement/ PW shield/ PoM/ Renew: no stacks

Healing Priest Perspective:
Prayer of Healing/ CoH: 5 stacks
Binding heal: 2 stacks
Flash/greater heal & heal: 1 stack
Lightwell/ PW shield/ PoM/ Renew: no stacks
====>Holy Word Spells<====
Sanctuary: instant 5 pretty much
Serenity: does indeed give 1 stack

//Oh, divine hymn & holy nova do not generate stacks :)
At first I was extremely disappointed with this trinket but then after seeing it generates 5 stacks off PoH I was satisfied as it's primarily our top heal in cata :] or at least for now.

Comentario de Bellabel

Ok got this trinket, it does have a 10 sec ICD before another stack can be applied. As a holy priest however POH and COH give it an instant 5 stacks.

Holy priest-
4016 intellect
3050 spirit
combat regen 3938.

Equiped
+120 combat regen

when at 5 stacks, I receive +397 mp5

Replenishment the intellect gives /2= 24 mp5

So at full stacks I get 120+397+24= 541 combat regen bonus from this trinket.

People saying Muñeca favorita de Tyrande is better may not have calculated holy priest and the latest patch to Holy concentration. 4200 mana every minute divided by 12(12 being combat regen in a minute) you get 350 mp5 not adding the intellect replenishment.

I for one am very happy to have landed this, paid a pretty penny but well worth it. I should also get better regen with kings up as well, not a huge gain but more is more. 541 is a bit better than 350.

I'd love to do some math on Jar of Ancient Remedies, +515 spirit for a holy priest would something be along the lines of 480-500 mp5 depending on intellect scaling. DMC just might end up ahead and gives a small boost to Spell power, and SF/arcane torent.

Comentario de Fowm

For paladins, this trinket will grant you 2 stacks if you have beacon of light cast on a target in your party or raid.

One for your spell, and one for the beacon heal.

After using it some more, I've also noticed that the beacon heal seems to ignore the internal cooldown, so a paladin can stack this up by just chain casting to get beacon of light heals.

Comentario de MomirMaster

After further testing its a smart trinket do this and you will see make a /cancelaura giant wave macro and spam a 2 second heal 30 times whell clicking macro inbetween it will proc 100% after sit there and throw 1 heal every 12 seconds you will stack to 5 and refresh without every losing a stack. My results seem to point to me that this is a "smart" trinket that has a set proc rate but checks if you have buff on you and under X seconds has a 100% proc rate I believe it to be between 8-10 seconds left as the magic number. This also points to people getting different results in there testing for proc rates.

edit upon further testing maybe its just 100% proc rate when casting a true 3 second cast timer spell upon further testing.

Comentario de Yukani

For some wierd reason the 10sec internal cd only applies when in combat, i tried the trinket in an heroic yesterday and it only takes like 5/6 seconds to stack it up depending on how fast i can push out the heals

Comentario de nemahsys

Light of dawn works to stack the buff with this trinket. In heroics I just LoD my group right before pulls and it puts up 5 stacks immediately which stay up until the fight is over. No worrying about silly proc rates and icd's.

Comentario de 723079

How much is this worth?

Comentario de Nummie

Instant 5 stacks when using Healing Rain (as well as most AOE skills from other healers, as mentioned in other comments).

Also worth mentioning that, as of time posting, this trinket will boost the spirit from Mana Tide (as does Jar of Ancient Remedies).

Comentario de greenland

I got this trinket tonight.
It does not seem to proc off Rejuvination, Lifebloom, or Wild Growth, instead preferring direct heals. The larger druid heals seem to refresh the stacks 100% of the time though, so you can bubble it up to 400% and keep it there using Swiftmend, as if you needed yet another reason to use Swiftmend.

EDIT:
This no longer has an internal cooldown and procs off any heal, not just a spell, including hots... It goes to 5 stacks in 5 seconds with 1 lifebloom now.

Comentario de qpon

Been selling for as high as 75k gold on Bloodhoof

Comentario de eternalwhitemoon

From a holy pally POV: This trinket is completely OP and worth every copper. The 321 Intellect buffs us in so many ways it's ridiculous, and no one can argue with 400 Spirit. :)

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/m20he473tsbgwngg/details/3/ Click on Buffs Gained or Buffs Cast (either works). You'll see that Giant Wave procced for me an astounding 5,699 times during the course of four hours of raiding, compared to my resto druid friend (click on the buff Giant Wave) who only had 405 recorded procs.

The comparison is complicated by:
1) He was boomkin for Magmaw, meaning he probably had a different trinket; and
2) I was out of range of him for a large portion of Conclave of Wind, so it's possible the WoL didn't catch the trinket procs during the Conclave encounter.

If those numbers are correct that's about 14x the number of procs the druid got. Even if the numbers are inaccurate, it's very obvious that this trinket benefits some classes more than others.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It can proc 1 stack from Holy Shock, Holy Light, Flash of Light, Divine Light, Word of Glory.
It double dips with Beacon of Light. You get one proc from the initial heal and one proc from the Beacon heal.
It can proc all 5 stacks on one GCD of Light of Dawn if you're lucky and aim it right.
It does not proc from Holy Radiance.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
All in all, it's extremely difficult *NOT* to keep this up as a holy paladin during normal raiding, between the length of the buff and the number of heals that can add one or more stacks. TL;DR: If you're a holy paladin, get it, love it, profit!

Edit: The ICD appears to be much shorter than 10 seconds or even 8 seconds. Going from the above WOL I was able to pull this:

Persephøne gains Giant Wave from Persephøne
Persephøne gains Giant Wave (2) from Persephøne
Persephøne gains Giant Wave (3) from Persephøne
Persephøne gains Giant Wave (4) from Persephøne
Persephøne gains Giant Wave (5) from Persephøne
Persephøne's Giant Wave is refreshed by Persephøne
Persephøne's Giant Wave is refreshed by Persephøne
Persephøne's Giant Wave is refreshed by Persephøne
Persephøne's Giant Wave is refreshed by Persephøne
Persephøne's Giant Wave is refreshed by Persephøne (Beacon)
Persephøne's Giant Wave is refreshed by Persephøne
Persephøne's Giant Wave is refreshed by Persephøne
Persephøne's Giant Wave is refreshed by Persephøne (Beacon)

Given this, it seems the ICD could be closer to 1.5 seconds or so. I am fairly bad at math so I'm hoping someone more numbers-inclined can interpret my data accurately to determine its ICD.

Comentario de 638523

hpally and I always have the 400 spirit up this is amazing. got it for 30k and was lucky :)

Comentario de Eyeain

Just got a ticket response for the not procing of hots issue. GM told me its a known issue and they are working on a solution. :D

Comentario de 739399

I have not observed any internal GCD on this. It seems to proc with back to back Nourish's or Regrowth. Not 100% of the time, but often enough.

Comentario de 755457

anyone know whats the reasonable cost for buying this trinket on the AH?
I've seen it on from 45k to 35k. You guys think the price will ever fall below 30k?

Comentario de 408857

Anecdotal evidence, but I can confirm that on a resto druid, the trinket currently does not proc on Rejuvenation, Lifebloom or Wild Growth.

Procs quite happily on Healing Touch, Nourish and Regrowth; seems to proc 100% of the time on Swiftmend. So resto druids in a raid situation should have no problem keeping the stacks up, as Swiftmend's on a 15 second (at most) cooldown, and the stacks last 20 seconds.

If/when Blizzard fix the trinket so that it procs on HoTs too, we'll be able to get the stacks up even faster, so there'll be no issues at all.

On a side note, for those who are having trouble getting hold of the rarer cards for this deck, don't forget - there's always the other faction's auction house! I ended up getting my Four on the Alliance side.

For those who aren't familiar with cross-faction trading, here's a brief guide:
1. To get the gold across factions: On your cross-faction character, put a junk item on the neutral (Booty Bay / Tanaris) auction house, for the amount of money you want (plus 15-20%, to account for the neutral AH cut.)
2. Swap back to your home faction and buy the item. Wait one hour.
3. Collect gold on cross-faction character. Purchase item from cross-faction auction house.
4. With the help of a home-faction friend (preferably using vent, or Real-ID), put the item on the neutral AH and have your friend purchase it immediately.
5. Trade with friend, create deck, profit.

Comentario de 757345

This trinket is amazing for Holy priests, even more so with the upcoming buff to Holy Concentration. I just purchased this card earlier to day and started messing around with it.

This card is probably the easiest stacking item in the game to keep 100% uptime for all 5 stacks. For Holy priests, the trinket procs off EVERY heal in one way or another. It does not proc off HoTs like Renew, BUT it does proc off Echo of Light(Mastery) HoT. I was able to Renew 1 person and have 5 stacks in roughly 2-3 seconds and as long as I have a Renew on someone, all 5 stacks stay up 100% of the time. So basically, if you cast Renew atleast once every 17-18 seconds, this card is a free 400 spirit.

Other AoE/HoT spells that proc this card:

CoH; 5 stacks
Prayer of Healing; 5 stacks
Renew; 5 stacks in roughly 2-3 seconds from Echo of Light
Holy Word; Sanctuary; Almost immediate 5 stacks with 1 person standing in it, any more than 1 person and it is instant.
Holy Nova; No immediate stacks from Holy Nova, but it does stack up quickly from Echo of Light.
Binding Heal; 2 stacks

In addition to these are Heal, Greater Heal and Flash Heal, which all provide 1 stack for the immediate direct heal and additional stacks from Echo of Light.

All in all, this card is amazing for Holy priests.

Comentario de 757408

comfirmed! its now working with HOTS!
100% up!
druids get the card now before price goes up !

Comentario de Nikolis

As of 1/6/2011 this trinket does now correctly stack with Heal over Time spells.

It was a surprising and very pleasant change that I noticed the first trash pull into Bastion. With only 2 stacks of Lifebloom applied, I had a full 5 stacks of the trinket rolling, being continuously refreshed by my HoTs.

Very happy Resto Druid here.

Comentario de 760424

Mine is procing off of riptide ticks. Tested it a few times, riptide clicked off the buff, let them tick and it was procing almost every tick.

Comentario de 302392

My main is an 85 holy priest.

I dont think they will "fix" the not proc on HoT thing as it would be way too easy to keep the proc stacked up. As a raid healer i often have renew ticking on every player in the raid or most of them. It ticks every few seconds. That means it would be impossible not to keep it stacked up 100% if you had a heal like renew. Dont hold your breathe for them to make it work on hots.If they make it work on HoTs they may as well just make the trinket +321 Intel +400 spirit and be done with it.

That being said its a nice trinket for Holy Priest.....over 4k mana pool, a few % crit, about 150 mp5 from the intel and 400 mp5 from proc if you keep it up with GH or COH every so often. But im not paying the 30K+ it goes for on my realm right now. 359 gear is going to be like lvl 200 gear was in WOTLK. Good for now but superceded not too far in the future. Then you would be "gee i wish i didnt spend the 30k on that". lol.

Comentario de Khornar

Since Cata Elem. shammies, shadow priests and boomkins have talents to count Spirit as a hit rating.
1 cheap heal every 20 sec to have massive 400 hit rating - is it a big price?

Comentario de 781824

When the proc stack is up I am seeing the MP5 increase, but the spirit buff doesn't appear to be affecting my total mana pool. Is that right?

Comentario de Jandari

Anyone know if the spirit boost counts for mana tide (i.e. the 4x is applied)

Seems the spirit buff from Jar of Ancient Remedies is and I was wondering if the tsunami trinket counts too

Comentario de 657155

/splooge.

Comentario de 388120

On average for a decently geared Holy Priest, you are looking at roughly .25-.3 of the intellect converting to combat regen, strictly from the regen formula. For most healers though the intellect bonus is negligible as they already have a trinket or 2 with the +321 int on it already.

If you assume a 100% uptime (or close to it) of the full 5 stacks of the spirit buff, you end up looking at +400 spirit obviously. However, 400 spirit for holy priest doesn't directly follow to combat regen. If talented and increased slightly because of higher intellect values (~4500-5000) the spirit to combat MP5 ratio is roughly .92. For the Jar, an average time between casts was taken and the mana gained summed for each interval of each stack amount, up to 5 where it is assumed 5 stacks remain until the on use is used, then holding at 0 stacks for the 30 second cooldown. For static use trinkets the duration divided by the cooldown is the ratio used for average spirit.

MP5 from +/- INT by 321 = ~ +/-90

Darkmoon Card: Tsunami
Effective MP5 = 368

By similar comparison:
Jar of ancient Remedies No Static INT
= 590 MP5 (~500 factoring INT)
Fall of Mortality (17% uptime)
= 305 MP5
Core of Ripeness
= 295 MP5
Tyrande's Fav. Doll
= 350 MP5
Vibrant Alchemist's Stone: (fight length) assumes: reforge Haste to Spirit, INT gem, Concentration Potion used
(2min) = 435 MP5
(3min) = 315 MP5
(4min) = 250 MP5
(5min) = 215 MP5
(6min) = 190 MP5
Shard of Woes: (casts per 5 seconds) No Static INT
(Low - 1.5) = 607 MP5 (~517 factoring INT)
(High - 2.5) = 1012 MP5 (~922 factoring INT)

It is worth noting that the most stable trinkets are Fall of Mortality, Jar of Ancient Remedies, Darkmoon Card: Tsunami, and Shard of Woe. The others rely on a potion or an action to receive it's full effectiveness, which sometimes isn't activated every time the cooldown allows. Vibrant Alchemists stone is good if you need the secondary Haste, but for any endgame fight over 4 minutes, which there are a lot, it loses a lot of value, and is only good if a potion is used during the fight which isn't always necessary.

Best to Worst:
Shard of Woes (517 - 1012)
Jar of ancient Remedies (500 - 590)
-Vibrant Alchemist's Stone (435)
Darkmoon Card: Tsunami (368)
Tyrande's Favorite Doll (350)
Fall of Mortality (305)
Core of Ripeness (295)
-Vibrant Alchemist's Stone (<200)

Comentario de archilles

Is Jar of Ancient Remedies really better than DMC Tsunami? I'm a H pally and I'm quite doubtful of losing 321. =(
Mana-wise Jar might be better but is is worth losing 321 spellpower and more?

Comentario de Servasus

This is wonderful for pretty much all healing classes but being a bit biased I'd have to say it's super good for holy pallies. In an expansion where overhealing with direct heals is no longer an issue, the 321 spellpower and near 4k+ mana is just too good to pass up, not to mention the mp5.

However, if you're like me, and a WoW welfare case, you might also look at Fall of Mortality, which, while not as good as this in the long run, is still a pretty nice chunk of mana return with the added 321 intellect. Currently using Tyrande's Fav. Doll and Fall of Mortality and loving them both. If this card happened to fall in my lap though I'd replace fall of mortality with it. (Depsite the coolness of the cho'gall trinket. =-p)

Comentario de Malackite

It seems like it hasn't been mentioned, the name of the proc is Giant Wave.

Comentario de 803263

I am completely offended by the name of this item and the buff that it adds to a player (giant wave). Both need to be changed

Comentario de 222292

Does anyone know if this will proc off of any healing done by shadow priest periodic shadow damage?

Comentario de discopriest

I got this card today and it seems Atonement heals and PW:Shield (when glyphed) can now also proc this card.

Comentario de 737683

bankin mad scrilla

Comentario de 809741

The buyout price listed here on wowhead is a little off. It's usually being sold for something around 13K - 17K gold now on most servers.

Comentario de 25685

The question is as a resto druid, if I already have Piedra de alquimista vibrante and Muñeca favorita de Tyrande, is it worth spending the12-15K gold that this seems to be selling for? While the MP5 on this is better than what I have, it seems to me that I would be better off spending that gold on upgrading one of my 346 items than on a marginal upgrade to a 359 trinket.

Comentario de Bellabel

I used this trinket in my heroic Ragnaros kill, we used 3 healers in our 25 man, and this trinket continues to be a holy priest #1 trinket. You get 721stats from this trinket at full stacks, 100% uptime. How can you go wrong.

Comentario de 219808

It can also proc from Gift of the Naaru.

Comentario de 906437

So other than purchasing these cards from AH how can you get them?

Comentario de tadelle

Still using DMC:T on Dragon Soul as a Holy Paladin. After 4.3 mana regeneration changes for holy paladin , i think it is time to look for an upgrade which has more intellect.

Comentario de 163020

This must be the most useful item of 359 when the game is already full of 410 items.

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