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Paul Kubit on Covenant Swapping - Changing Should be Easy, Changing Back Should be Hard

publicado 09/07/2020 a las 15:44 por Archimtiros

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To switch a Covenant, if you feel like you've made a mistake, you joined the Kyrian's but you're really a Venthyr, you should be able to do that with little to no penalty at all. The penalty comes when you switch back, when you decide, actually no I want to go back to the Kyrains. At that point, fantasy wise, you've betrayed their trust; how can we trust you're not a double agent of the Venthyr if you've left and rejoined, so that's where it will take some effort to get back.The specific penalty hasn't been determined, but I would imagine there is some period of time, say on the order of week and a half/two weeks, don't hold me on that, but something like that where you have to re-earn the trust that you lost with them. Not impossible, something that you could do, very possible between raid seasons, but something which should be very difficult to do so you won't be incentivized to pick a different covenant for raid one week and Mythic+ the next, or one raid boss and then switch back over for another raid boss.In this upcoming beta, there's going to be a lot more game play affecting systems which are tied to covenants which come to light. enough that hopefully the choice of a covenant becomes less like choosing an ability in a talent row, which is kind of how it feels now, and instead choosing between two classes - you're not just choosing an ability, but a pair of abilities along with a suite of additional passives and powers which come from Soulbinds you're able to tie to, benefits from your Covenant sanctum, and more. This should be something where still there are going to be cases where a particular Covenant choice might do better on a particular fight or situation in PvP, but we'd like to avoid a situation where "if you'd like to do Mythic+, this is the best Covenant for you, and it's going to be better in all cases in Mythic+, same for raiding, or PvP, and other primary ways of playing the game". There will for sure be cases where you'll say "alright, in this fight which involves single target damage and a lot of movement, yes the Venythr power is best", but in a more spread fight or in a single target fight even where it doesn't involve a lot of movement then maybe you'll do better in this fight, and that gives different players an opportunities to shine based on their covenant choices.

My take on this is that I think it's ok if people who want to play optimally choose their covenant because it's optimal. There are lots of reasons to choose a covenant: for RP reasons, cosmetic reasons, and the power of your character in a particular type of content is one of them.

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Comentario de ArchimtirosI'm fine with swapping covenants being hard. I'm not fine with player power being tied to covenants. It's just not necessary.Comentario de NimokuThis restriction really doesn't "punish" players or stop them from engaging in content whatsoever. Between 3 interchangeable Soulbinds, each of which has 4-6 easily respeccable paths, and various Conduits, you should have absolutely no problem dedicating a Soulbind or atleast a specific respec path to whatever spec you want. Therein lies the problem. People want a "meaningful choice", but they don't want it to be meaningful in any way that matters to them, and the hilarious truth is that a "meaningful choice" which you don't care about isn't meaningful at all! Comentario de Spacetauren
They also cannot tune the conduits accordingly to make up for weaker covenant class ability or soulbind, because ANY covenant can use those same conduits.

They can't even use these systems as "tuning knobs".EDIT :Comentario de Nimoku

We already know of conduits that affect specifically the specs' covenant ability. In preach's video about conduits, we can see one that specifically affects Condemn, the Warrior's Venthyr ability.

EDIT : also that could be because Condemn replaces Execute.Comentario de Rikoooooo Very good argument Comentario de BoatermilkSo I need a pvp warrior and a pve warrior

Got itComentario de serangelthey are putting alot of our power progress into thischoice sadly. so if it to hard to switch out or to move back its gonig to suck the whole expansion. If they make changes to your class/balance and now your in your worst on. They have said over and over this should be it all the power and a ton of tuning knobs (i already think they have bitten to much to chew with this scope) for balnce. so when .1 hits and they see 60% in one the power bump it and it gets batter then they break the blance again in .2 and you want to go back you can't...Comentario de DrakendenI think they should make the class specific covenant ability changeable like talents. But make the cosmetic rewards and the movement ability tied to the covenants hard to swap between. Would solve the balancing issues for the most part and would keep the hardcore optimizers calm.Comentario de DrakendenJust make the covenant abilities a goddamn talent row. They're just going to end up doing this in 9.3 after everyone hates this system, anyway. Just do it now.Comentario de serangelblizz is 100% disvaluing the impact/importance a good story beat from the choice, some mog ect can give us. layering all this seemingly unbalanceable power gimmiks on top just ruins it 100%. I was so excited at the start I wante dto paly a toon in each one. now We have a new mission table facebook minegames to annoy us, 2 azorite grinds with even more walls, unbalanceable layers of power to learn from the start.....each week as we get more i just see lazy bfa 2.0...wows days in my life may be over if this is the hill blizz wants to die onComentario de IncandioAnyone who complains about this needs to demonstrate that they have optimised their own skill within 1-5% of perfect before doing so. Min/max yourself first, then make ludicrous demands about balance that strip player choice of any meaning.Comentario de OxyiaThis literally makes zero sense. You cannot design a game around the fact that people are PENALIZED for trying to minmax. It's completely ridiculous. Im trying as hard as i can to get into the shadowlands hype train, however as someone who is a multi glad player, a cutting edge player, and a M+ pusher on the same character, this is just gonna be so bad it's hard to describe. What will end up happening is we will be forced to choose 1 type of gameplay while being snared in others. NOBODY wants that, but blizz is just not listening again. I couldnt care less about RP and Lore and all that garbage, either make the abilities not tied to the covenant, so i can pick based on performance (something i should be rewarded for as a player, for trying to maximise my output) or make covenant swap free and easy. This is 1000 times worse then having to pay to respec azerite everytime my group needs a tank instead of a dps, or everytime i wanna do aoe instead of single target. What really scares me is how disconnected from the reality of their game these devs really are, to think a system like this would be a good idea. Bad game design, i challenge anyone to prove me wrong.Comentario de VarusEUGreat interview and responses. People should make a meaningful and well informed decision based upon their own personal experimentation.Comentario de VarusEUAnyone who complains about this needs to demonstrate that they have optimised their own skill within 1-5% of perfect before doing so. Min/max yourself first, then make ludicrous demands about balance that strip player choice of any meaning.Comentario de LoghThis literally makes zero sense. You cannot design a game around the fact that people are PENALIZED for trying to minmax. It's completely ridiculous. Im trying as hard as i can to get into the shadowlands hype train, however as someone who is a multi glad player, a cutting edge player, and a M+ pusher on the same character, this is just gonna be so bad it's hard to describe. What will end up happening is we will be forced to choose 1 type of gameplay while being snared in others. NOBODY wants that, but blizz is just not listening again. I couldnt care less about RP and Lore and all that garbage, either make the abilities not tied to the covenant, so i can pick based on performance (something i should be rewarded for as a player, for trying to maximise my output) or make covenant swap free and easy. This is 1000 times worse then having to pay to respec azerite everytime my group needs a tank instead of a dps, or everytime i wanna do aoe instead of single target. What really scares me is how disconnected from the reality of their game these devs really are, to think a system like this would be a good idea. Bad game design, i challenge anyone to prove me wrong.Comentario de RoxuroCore issue still not fixed, no matter how much we complain about it.Comentario de silverdevilboyI know tuning is something they are going to do, but have they seen what's in venthyr? How it even close? I can maybe make an argument for Night Fae. But what in the world, this is like, base abilities they have worked out. I'm sorry but this needs to change, and I'd prefer they bring the other covenants up to Venthyr's level instead of nerfing Venthyr, because it does look extremely fun and powerful to play.Comentario de ToraziyalI'm fine with this. It has been exactly that for 15 years now, considering classes and races.
How many people actually switch their main class every other week, because in that new raiding content another class is a bit stronger? Well, those who do, will switch their covenant along with their class by maining another toon. I really don't see a problem here.Comentario de keyboredwarrior it makes sense that a covenant wouldn't be just willing to take you back with open arms when you want to change back. You betrayed them, and that has consequences.Comentario de SortsAzuremystBFA 2.0 only worse but can it be worse then corruption? With these crazy idea's of Ion, yes it actually can be!

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