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Comentario de SolidSnakeJSU

El bonus de daño de Arma Lengua de Fuego se calcula antes de los Modificadores de Velocidad de Ataque. Por ejemplo, Aluvión no aumentaria el daño.

Tras el Parche 4.3 no añade Poder con Hechizos, incrementa todo el daño magico en un 5% (es decir, todo el daño no fisico)

Sigue siendo un hechizo base para los chamanes elementales, que lo deben tener siempre activo para aumentar su DPS.

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Comentario de 9531

Unfortunately, all elemental weapons cannot be used in conjunction with sharpening stones, weightstones, or magic weapon oils.

Comentario de 9531

Unfortunately, all elemental weapons cannot be used in conjunction with sharpening stones, weightstones, or magic weapon oils.

Comentario de 9531

Unfortunately, all elemental weapons cannot be used in conjunction with sharpening stones, weightstones, or magic weapon oils.

Comentario de 9531

Unfortunately, all elemental weapons cannot be used in conjunction with sharpening stones, weightstones, or magic weapon oils.

Comentario de 21736

My guess is that flametounge is for the elemental shammy being oom or having to many mobs interupting spells.

Comentario de 21328

Does this proc clearcasting?

If not, I hope that, in next patch, where shaman clearcasting procs with ALL crits (meaning a higher proc rate for caster shammys), flametongue's crits also proc clearcasting.

And this gets +damage from spell damage, so it's the choice for elemental shaman.

Comentario de Arslaan

A fun way to use flametongue is with this build.

https://www.wowhead.com/cata/talent=uE0uh0hqZxVc0E0shuo

Basically, you would want to wear elemental gear for +dmg. Get 2 very fast weapons (Pref caster daggers with low melee dmg and high +spell dmg) and enchant them both with flametongue.

With this build and gear, you'll be doing some very nice fire damage (or frost if you want frostbrand). Best thing is that crits with flametongue will be boosted by the elemental fury talent.
Melee crits will proc flurry for faster fire damage. Shock crits will proc elemental devastation which in turn will boost melee crit for some more flurry goodness, Oddly enough, this is the only use I've seen for this talent. Toss down a searing totem. I swear you will see numbers streaming up on your screen.

Of course I wouldn't pvp with this. But PVE grinding is great.

Another note is that you would want to avoid melee stats. That's why I havent taken any talents that would boost melee damage except for critical damage to proc flurry.

Comentario de 21272

After the WF fix in 2.0.10, Flamtongue on the Off Hand would give the highest dps(Ofcourse WF on the main hand).
For pvp though, the Frostbrand slowing proc is really really sweet, but I'd still recommend 2handers for big chunks of damage.

Comentario de HighFive

The bonus damage from Flametongue is calculated before Attack speed modifiers. For example, proccing flurry will not decrease it.

Comentario de peeweesweden

Smacking this on a Flurry Axe makes for some groovy damage-output. Add a Fiery enchant and watch the mobs go up in flames.

Comentario de 39134

The damage from flametongue is not diminished when put on the OH (unlike rockbiter and WF) and only depends on the base weapon speed. Not to mention it also ignores armor and the extra damage is capable of spell knockback as well.

Two slow weapons with double WF still yields the highest DPS, but in the case that you are sporting a fast off-hand, flametongue is the way to go.

Comentario de Wildhorn

Flametongue Weapon add 10% of your +spell damage to the fire damage it does.

To know the damage it add to your weapon = "(35 * weapon speed + spell damage/10) * 1.15" (if you have elemental weapons talent)

Comentario de Serai

ive heard it gains 10% from spelldmg but how does that work?

lets see we have 100 spelldmg, wil every hit i do give 10 extra dmg regardless of weaponspeed, making this good for fast weapons, or will it be adapted to weaponspeed

Comentario de IceCracker

As of the latest PTR build, Flametongue now grants an MS-type debuff to the target.

Shaman
- Flametongue weapon puts an "MS" (50% healing reduction) on your current target. 5 Second duration, refreshes every hit.

Source: http://www.worldofraids.com/#11272

Comentario de alron

This is getting a 50% Healing Debuff like Mortal Strike for warriors.

Only MS is lvl 40+...

Comentario de Deathdemon

In Patch 2.4 Flametongue Weapon will Reduce healing effects by 50% on the inflicted target

Comentario de Serai

does this change mean im better of with a faster offhand now or not

Comentario de teez

The healing debuff has been removed again in a more recent build of the PTR.

Flametongue Weapon damage effects for rank 3 and above now also reduce healing done to the target by 50% and lasts 5 seconds. (removed)
Flametongue Totem damage effects now also reduce healing done to the target by 50% and lasts 5 seconds. (removed)

src: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html

Comentario de 171323

Is it true that in WotLk it gives a +spellpower buff or something?

Flametongue Weapon: Now increases spell damage.

Comentario de 87828

anyone know exactly how much spell damage the enchant gives in 3.01/wotlk?

Comentario de NerArth

Too bad Blizz are making this a spell dmg buff ... rly liked it ....

Well it's actually giving the spell damage besides doing the fire damage. This very rank shows so.

Flametongue Weapon Rank 6
8% of base mana
Instant cast
Requires Melee Weapon
Imbue the Shaman's weapon with fire, increasing total spell damage by 45. Each hit causes 32.4416 to 99.92 additional Fire damage, based on the speed of the weapon. Slower weapons cause more fire damage per swing. Lasts 30 minutes.

Comentario de 150104

This weapon enhnacement, along with the totem that accompanies it are the Wrath of the Lich King Wrath of Air totem role.

Comentario de 39921

Oh my God......
I was going to comment this ability is a typo till I realized for the last 5 levels or so I've been using Flametongue tank 6 (Spelldmg +54)

Well, that figures why my DPS has been sucking in 5mans all this time.

Comentario de 111403

This with 3/3 in Elemental weapons
Give you 204 spellpower

Comentario de 287376

so the slower the weapon the higher damage it does?

Comentario de amgyn

A great update to this imbue in WOTLK, now shaman can actually use it.

Restoration Shaman, a good bost to solo farming, and if lacking spell power early on can help a little. However https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=51994 will be the imbue of choice for restoration.

Elemental Shamans, this will obviously be the imbue of choice. Include this glyph: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=41532 and you have an awesome boost in dps. Sadly, the spell power will probably not scale well (the glyph will still help)

Enhancement Shamans, most likely will replace the strong WF/WF combo further up in progression. With the arsenal of enhancement shaman tools increasing to include spells a spell damage imbue will most likely replace the WF off hand imbue. additionaly, the FT proc will also benefit from the increased spell power an enhancement shaman now has from his agil,ap,int, not to mention the merge of crit/hit ratings.

Lots of theory crafting has gone into comparing WFWF and WFFT. The current conclusion seems that after a threshold of spellpower has been reached WF/FT will outpreform WFWF.

now weapon speed will play a major part as well.... but thats just not relative here except for the fact that a SLOWER weapon will proc a BIGGER ft proc but at a slower pace obviously a FASTER weapon will proc SMALLER ft procs but more often.

how this will affect white damage, stormstrike damage and maelstrom weapon stacks is still to be determined.

Comentario de mudphud

An interesting note is that while the base damage this causes on weapon hit is dependent on weapon speed, the amount that it scales (10% of spellpower) does not depend on weapon speed. Thus, flametongue weapon DPS will be higher on a fast weapon than a slow one. While enhancement shaman will still prefer slower weapons for other reasons (lava lash and MW), this effect of flametongue damage does make a fast off hand viable if it an upgrade (with WF/FT).

edit: However, this is currently being changed on the PTR for 3.1 so that slower weapons get more benefit from your spell power than faster ones.

Comentario de 206160

increasing Spell Damage by xxx.

does this increase the +healing too?
since now every Spell Damage also giving +healing by certain amount ( I forgot the calculation, but roughtly double the Spell Damag)

if so, wouldn't it making FT Weapon better than Earthliving for +healing amount given.

sorry my account is not active atm, if not I can ask in official forum of test it myself in game.

thx.

Comentario de 138910

There are now a lot of enh shamans using full melee dps gear, a caster MH and flametongue on it.

Can get up to 4k dps in average raiding gear. not bad imo.

Comentario de Skrofler

"Flametongue Weapon: Bonus damage from spell power now based on weapon speed. Slower weapons will benefit more from spell power."

The amount of spell power stays the same. Only the fire damage you deal when you hit something with the weapon is changed.

Comentario de Ssateneth

With the patch, bonus spell damage on your gear will affect flametongue weapon procs more with slow weapons and less with fast weapons, probably in the end, flametongue weapon damage over a long period of time will most likely be identical between say a 1.3 speed dagger to a 2.7 speed mace with identical amounts of crit and spell damage. This will push the flametongue offhand ideal towards a slow weapon since lava lash and stormstrike will hit harder.

This was done to try to keep dual flametongue weapon damage output lower than windfury/flametongue combos. Blizzard seems to want enchance shamans to do WF/FT, but with the patch, we're back to using 2 slow weapons. WF/FT will still probably be the better option than other combos of WF/WF or FT/FT.

Comentario de toastmaster7727

The fire damage done from a melee attack has the ability to critically strike.

Comentario de Dreamz

If you plan on doing a Hybrid spec - Elemental, and Enhance, yes - these do stack spell power on each weapon. And yes flametongue totem stacks with it as well. So you can dual wield and have spell power chants and flametongue on each weapon. Not sure what will happen after 3.1

Comentario de 22897

Just equipped a 3.5spd axe, and put rank 10 FT on it. FT gave me 274 spell damage; the exact same as my 1.8 spd dagger. So FT does not yield more total spell power for slower weapons. Kinda sucks, cuz then staves would be more attractive than they currently are.

Comentario de makron

Base damage is:
<Weapon Speed>*6850/100
Where weapon speed is in seconds and cannot be more than 4.0 and less than 1.3.
Note that tooltip does not really match to this math, because it just displays 6850/77 to 6850/25. Obviously 100/1.3 is not exactly 77 so that minor mismatch...

Comentario de Ketsei

Can this proc enchants like Spellsurge?

Comentario de 303822

Is the fire damage from melee hits dependent on spell hit rating or melee hit rating?

Comentario de 99096

i often melee as a elemental because i drop aoe totems and i realized this adds an extra 2-4 numbers (melee/proc) to any instant cast you use due to world cooldown its not all that much like 150-200 dps single target but hell that's not to bad if you don't have to move at all during the fight. i am not saying do this all the time because some fight you just should not be in melee period just something to think about :D

Comentario de cloudp

Have you got an idea of how scary that an enhancement/elemental Dual Wield Shaman Hybrid could get, from the Weapon slot ALONE, above two THOUSAND spellpower?
Weapon 1
+Flametongue(improved)
+63 Spellpower
+23 Spellpower (1 Red socket)

=893+63+275+23=1254

Weapon 2

1254+1254=2508 Spellpower from THE WEAPON SLOTS ALONE!

This hypothetical scenario isn't very likely, because you miss Thunderstorm, Shamanism, totem of Wrath and Lava Flows, but it is fascinating to see how incredibly strong we are compared to the good old Burning Crusade times.

Comentario de 464789

Apparently also no longer deals Fire damage on hit.

Too bad :(

Also, the scaling seems to be ridiculously high. 282 Spellpower at level 10?

This must be a bug of some sort.

Comentario de 368704

Lava lash is going to be doing MASSIVE dmg in conjuction with the
Llamas abrasadoras
Latigazo de lava mejorado

So thats already 150% weapon dmg then add 5 stacks of searing totem thats 100% bonus fire dmg and the 40% bonus for having flametongue on that weapon, an additional 30% if u talented into it AND another 20% from unleash elements Desatar llama

So pretty much its:
150% wep dmg + 20% x searing nova stacks (max 5) + 40% flametongue + 30% talent + 20 % from unleash elements.

So assuming your weapon does 1000 base damage and u use the above formula your looking at a hit of 10920 dmg (non crit)

O_o

Comentario de themguyman

ok i pretty sure that the extra damage on this is wrong it seems like way to much

Comentario de 449096

''Imbue the Shaman's weapon with fire, increasing total spell damage by 6850.''
Is this accually the case? if so, it's way OP

Comentario de crazyprsn

When this element is unleashed, I am showing that Lava Lash does NOT consume its effect. Therefore, Lava Lash is most likely is not benefiting from the Unleash Elements.

Edit: Information also found in Unleash Flame comments.

Comentario de Riencel

Flametongue no longer deals Fire Damage on hit. I hope Blizz remove its use in Lava Lash because is less attractive.

Comentario de Carnella

Make sure you set Power Auras to Weapon Enchant and use 8024 as the exact spell name, if you want to make a warning for when it wears off.

Comentario de seahen

The comments above indicate that the melee fire damage scales with spell power. Was this taken out with 4.0.1? If it's still the case, then the tooltip above should show expressions instead of constant values for the minimum and maximum extra damage.

Also, does/did the fire damage calculation include Flametongue's own spell-damage bonus?

Comentario de bladefuree

Im confused, when I am on my shaman I am leveling (68), the flametongue weapon tooltip does not include the spell damage buff. In fact, it is completely melee based. By the looks of it the only good thing about it is if you glyph it for 2% increased crit chance, which a lot of people replace with a different glyph. Am i missing something? i.e. is the spell damage only at end game level?

Comentario de MOnicoch

I can confirm that it does still give you the spellpower even though it does not say it in the tip i checked by watching my spell power before and after activating it on my shaman.

Comentario de Pope

Deactivate Beginner-Tooltips.

- Flametongue weapon still deals damage on hit. Since 4.0.6. (I think) the damage scales with Attackpower, and not with Spellpower (in Enhancement spec.)
- The bonus spellpower are still applied.

Comentario de MiQueL

In patch 4.3 this increases magical damage done by 5%, instead of increasing spell damage by 747.
Blizzard trying to prevent using spell power weapons by doing this change.

Comentario de wsvap

"Flametongue Weapon no longer increases spell damage. It now increases all non-physical damage done by the wielder by 5%." - in patch 4.3

Comentario de Thottbot

this is one of my favorite buffs for that level

Comentario de Thottbot

it's better than RW (for low lvl at least)
maths says:
53AP/14=3.78dps, when FW does about 3.8 per hit with a ~1.00 fist that's ~3.8dps that isn't reduced by armor.
at 56, RW adds ~36dps (reduced by armor) vs about full 29.5dps (some resists so what?)with a 1.00 weapon
RW is only good when u're tanking and want to hold aggro
and also keep in mind that it's dmg is a bit higher (this gets resisted) than that of the holydmg factory pally's SoR (didn't compare it with SoC however it would lose)

Comentario de Thottbot

what does your weapon look like with this on it?

Comentario de Thottbot

If you ask me , for melee shammy windfury is best for all atack speed weapons , faster = more wf's (and non stop flurry), slower = more dmg when wf proc

But... we r talking here about the FW , if u use it - go slow weapons 2.90 - 4.00 , bcz rockbiter will be better on 1.30-2.80 atack speed weap's

btw Bliizard have to think about elemental shammys too - there is no good weapon buff for em , while i was elemental i was using Frostbrand weapon , but it dont help casting at all , since we have frost shock and earthbind totem :-/
plx make mana regen or +dmg/heal spells or whatever u pick from caster things

focus on having fun , it is only a game

Comentario de Thottbot

rock bitter now deals nature dmg this sux

Comentario de Thottbot

Now it's nor effected by armor!

Comentario de Thottbot

this or rockbiter hmm says on my spell it does 4.7 to 14.6 fire damage wish isent effected by armor while rockbiter only adds 4 dps so even if you use the fastest weapon it still does 0.7 more dps unless they resist btw i dont know if mobs genenerly have fire ristance not talking about fire elemtals =P but rockbiter, as someone already stated is reduced by armor correct me if im wrong but this IS better then rockbiter

Comentario de Thottbot

flame tongue can crit aswell

Comentario de Thottbot

what weapon is best with this spell? one-handed mace, staff or two-handed mace?

Comentario de Thottbot

i think all fire stuff is best

Comentario de Thottbot

Thats the question. First off damage wise, subtracting all critical's they are the same. Why? because rockbiter adds a solid DPS. Flametongue add's a solid amount based on speed. Now think about it speed*fixeddamage= a DPS rating. I dont care how fast or slow your weapon is if it add's two dps, it's two dps you don't get more or less. They both become more useless with fast and better with slow. So why don't they say same thing as other? Well most have said that already. Rockbiter is to your weapon damage, while Flametongue, is additional fire damage. Both Critical depending on either your melee crit's(rock) OR you spell crit's(flame). So I use flame if my spell crit's are higher? Not neccessarily, if you do your research(wowwiki, has good math for peeps like me) melee crit's are 2 times you normal attack. Spell Crit's are only 1.5 times your spell damage. So technically if your crit's are the same rockbiter is still going to do more over time. You want to have a significantly better spell crit to make a consistant use of Flametongue and call it better, in which case you are probaly elemental and shouldn't use either, you should be using frostbrand as a snare, because you want to immobilize so you can cast. Now for melee spec when should you know when to use the two? To hold agro(since naturally it draws more agro) OR beat on leather and cloth wearer's use Rockbiter, because low armor can't resist physical as much. To tear through high armor or not draw as much agro(PvE) use Flametongue as yellow damage is not negated by armor. I hope this has helped some people understand, I have used my own research and numbers I have found online to come to this conclusion. GL!

Comentario de Thottbot

This and rockbiter have almost 2 different uses so its not good to compair them. Rockbiter weapon does add dps but when you are fighting against a well armored class, it doesnt help much. On the other hand using flametongue weapon is more effective on armored classes since it doesnt get reduced by armor (its a magic effect). But if you are going against a cloth class, rockbiter is better, as the armor will not reduce the damage much. Using flametongue isnt good on clothies because they probably have some fire resistance and it will be reduced.

Comentario de Thottbot

does anyone know if + spell damage will add to this?
does anyone also know how this works with duel wielding? does it cast it on both weapons? please i want to know!

Comentario de Thottbot

yes thats awosome am i right or am i right XD

Comentario de Thottbot

Advantages

-Fire Damage (except don't use on guys made of fire)

-good damage

-Low Mana cost

Disadvantages

-none really but another buff might be better.

Comentario de Thottbot

For enhance shamans --- use windfury in your mainhand and flametongue in your offhand, with two slow weapons this is the best imo

Comentario de Allakhazam

If you're in a group and you're not the main tank make sure to use this instead of Rockbitter. If the time comes that you need aggro use Earth Shock.

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Arma Lengua de Fuego

Arma Lengua de Fuego	Nivel 85

6% del maná base
Instante

Imbuye con fuego el arma del chamán, lo que aumenta el daño mágico infligido un 5%

Glifo de Arma Lengua de Fuego
y aumenta la probabilidad de asestar un golpe crítico con hechizos un 2%

Cada golpe inflige 7644 - 7644 p. de daño de Fuego extra en función de la velocidad del arma. Las armas más lentas infligen más daño de Fuego por golpe. Dura 30 minutos.

Desatar elementos
Desatar este encantamiento inflige 1118 p. de daño de Fuego a un objetivo enemigo y aumenta el daño infligido por el siguiente hechizo de Fuego del chamán un 20%

Detalles de hechizos

Duración

n/d

Escuela

Fuego

Mecanica

n/d

Tipo de disipación

n/d

Categoría GCD

Normal

Costo

6% del maná base

Rango

0 metros (Self)

Tiempo de lanzamiento

Instante

Reutilización

n/d

GCD

1.5 segundos

Efecto #1

Enchant Item - Temporary: [Lengua de Fuego] (5)
Valor: 1801
Multiplicador JcJ: 1

Efecto #2

Dummy
Valor: 2
Multiplicador JcJ: 1
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